Suppressing the Vote | Disenfranchisement


Voting is a right in America. Much like you have the right to free speech
and the right to a firearm, you also have the right to vote. Though it used to be viewed more as a privilege
and we still kind of think of it that way. If you try to introduce any kind of rule that
maybe curtails a few people from voting, aside from those few people affected, most other
people don’t seem to care. They might even be in favor of those rules. The only way to stop these rules from taking
effect is to vote. So please, vote… assuming you still can. This video is brought to you by Skillshare. When America was founded, or rather, a few
years later when the Constitution went into effect, only white male protestants over the
age of 21, who owned a not insignificant amount of land were allowed to vote. When George Washington was elected in 1789,
only 6% of the US population had the right to vote. Much like the definition of a citizen, the
right to vote was both expanded and restricted over the years. By the 1840s, the property ownership requirement
had disappeared. Then in 1870, after the bloodiest war in American
history, the white requirement was removed by the 15th Amendment, allowing black males
the right to vote. We had some issues with letting Asians and
Native Americans vote, but that was cleared up later. In 1920, the 19th Amendment granted women
the right to vote federally, certain states had allowed it previously. And lastly, in 1971, the 26th Amendment was
passed, lowering the voting age to 18. So that’s it, as long as you’re a US citizen
over the age of eighteen, you’re allowed to vote, and now, you know better…
… wait. Yeah, if only it were that simple. States decide who gets to vote, so aside from
those few amendments I mentioned, we don’t have any uniform federal rules. So every time the federal government extended
the right to vote to a group, new state rules were put in place to limit how many people
in that group could actually vote. Like after the Mexican-American War. When we annexed all that new territory with
all those new people, America had a problem, because at the time, Mexican people were still
classified as white. So English literacy became a requirement. And it remained a requirement that was rather
famously used to deny black people the right to vote for another hundred years under Jim
Crow. Along with poll taxes, which meant you had
to pay a fee every time you voted, which were eliminated by the 24th Amendment
It’s a common misconception that felony disenfranchisement was started during Reconstruction
or Jim Crow in order to suppress the African-American vote. Felony disenfranchisement means that you lose
the ability to vote if you’ve committed a certain level of crime. The idea is that you broke the social contract,
so you shouldn’t be able to participate in decisions that help shape that society
or its rules. And you could argue that that makes sense
for a little while… but forever? Forever-ever? Forever-ever? We’ve actually had these rules since basically
the beginning. Kentucky was the first state to enact criminal
disenfranchisement in 1792, followed by Vermont in 1793, then Ohio, and Louisiana. By the time the Civil War came around, most
states, in the North and South, had some form of felony disenfranchisement. In fact, during Reconstruction, only one state
expanded felony disenfranchisement in order to stop black people from voting. Can you guess which one? It’s Alabama, I mean c’mon. Their constitution still has a rather long
list of people disqualified from voting, including: All idiots and insane persons – that’s
off to a great start. It should be noted that idiot was a medical
term back then, man that has not aged well. But here’s the list of crimes that disqualify
you. Those who shall be convicted of treason, murder,
arson, embezzlement, malfeasance in office, larceny, receiving stolen property, obtaining
property or money under false pretenses, perjury, subornation of perjury, robbery, assault with
intent to rob, burglary, forgery, bribery, assault and battery on the wife, bigamy, living
in adultery, sodomy, incest, rape, miscegenation- If you needed anymore proof that this was
racially motivated, here you go. Miscegenation is marrying outside of your
race, if a black man married a white woman, neither of them were allowed to vote. That section of the constitution wraps up
with a blanket statement. Or any crime punishable by imprisonment in
the penitentiary, or of any infamous crime or crime involving moral turpitude. An “infamous crime” is usually defined
as a felony. Many of the crimes on that list were retracted
over time, but the felony part has not. But felony disenfranchisement on the whole
is starting to disappear in the country as people start to realize that punishing someone
for life, well after their sentence, was a bit much. In Maine and Vermont, there is no disenfranchisement,
people are allowed to vote while in prison. These states allow you to vote once you’re
out of prison and these states after probation or parole. These states allow you to vote after your
sentence, but only for first-time offenders or non-violent crimes, it varies by state. But in these four states, no felon of any
kind ever gets to vote, ever. Forever ever? Yes. Well, unless the governor personally restores
your rights… and then the next governor doesn’t immediately reverse that decision. Florida has the chance to change their color
on that map in the election on Tuesday. But as felony disenfranchisement has been
disappearing, a new form of voter suppression seems to be emerging. When you register to vote, you have to prove
who you are and where you live, but some states are now requiring a separate ID when you actually
vote. Voter ID laws are one of those things that
just feels like it makes sense, but the facts don’t seem to line up with those feelings. Another example of this would be drug testing
people on welfare, it costs way more than it saves. A common argument for Voter ID is that you
need one for all sorts of other things, you can barely get by without one, so it makes
sense that you should have to prove who you are before you go vote. On the surface, that sounds reasonable, which
is probably why a majority of Americans support the idea. Except you don’t really need an ID for all
sorts of other things… unless you’re a teenager. I couldn’t tell you the last time I had
to show anyone my ID. Not to get into an R-rated movie, or buy spray
paint, or even alcohol. If I lived in a city that had decent public
transportation, I wouldn’t need an ID at all. Well, you need one to work, right? No, not really, no. When you got hired, your HR person gave you
this list – and you probably just handed over your driver’s license and social security
card. But there’s about a dozen other options
available. And here’s the kicker, those dozen other
options, depending on the state, aren’t valid Voter IDs. 11% of American citizens
do not have a valid Voter ID. I have an ID and if you thought that me saying
that I don’t remember the last time I had to show it to anyone is far-fetched, 35 million
Americans don’t have an ID and seem to get along just fine. Except when it comes to this new rule about
voting. If you lost your driver’s license, it would
be a pain, you’d have to take a few hours off of work, go to the DMV, sit there for
a few hours, pay a fee, and then wait six to eight weeks for it to arrive in the mail,
it would be a whole thing. But you can justify it because you need it
to drive. But if you take the bus to work every day
and everything is fine, but now you find out you have to do all of that stuff in order
to go vote, when you didn’t two years ago… You’re probably just not going to vote. Voter ID laws vary by state, but there are
currently seventeen states with rather strict Voter ID laws. The usual reasoning behind these laws is to
stop voter fraud and we’ve been told a lot in the last few years that voter fraud is
a big problem. And the integrity of our ballot box is paramount. I’m not going to address the claim that
millions of illegal immigrants are voting because, no they aren’t, that’s ridiculous. But in most of the states that either have
passed or are trying to pass Voter ID laws, someone will claim that hundreds of dead people
are voting. An analysis of recent elections in the state,
ready for this, shows that 953 dead people voted. After the investigation was complete, they
found that only five ballots couldn’t be accounted for of the 1.3 million votes that
were cast. But using that pretense, South Carolina still
passed Voter ID laws. Voter ID laws really only stop voter impersonation,
that is, you showing up at the polls and claiming to be someone you’re not and casting a vote. Between 2000 to 2014, there have only been
31 cases of that happening in the entire United States. Again, using voter fraud as a pretense, Texas
passed one of the strictest Voter ID laws in the country, disenfranchising over 600,000
people. Between 2002 and 2014, two people were convicted
of voter fraud in Texas. Imagine for a moment, that over the course
of 12 years, two people committed a crime with an AR15, and as a result, the state decided
to take away 600,000 AR15s from people who did nothing wrong. Not permanently, don’t worry, you can get
it back. You just need to take time off work, go to
the state ID office, wait for a few hours, pay a small fee, and wait a few weeks for
it to come in the mail. This isn’t that much of a stretch, voting
is a right, just as much as owning a firearm. Texas has one of the most interesting and
strictest Voter ID laws in the country. The issue isn’t that you need and ID, it’s
which IDs count. Most people have some form of ID, to work
or go to school or whatever, but those don’t count in Texas. Wisconsin allows school IDs, which makes sense,
it’s a state-run government institution. But Texas doesn’t, you know what does count? A Concealed Carry Permit. I can’t imagine any difference between people
who carry CCLs and people who carry school IDs… huh. And here’s where we get to talk about discrimination. Voter ID laws are often described as useless,
since it solves a problem that isn’t really a problem, but also racist, which usually
makes people defensive and use some of the arguments that I’ve already mentioned. Again, the problem isn’t that you need an
ID, it’s which IDs count as valid Voter IDs. As I said before, 11% of all Americans do
not have a valid Voter ID, only 8% of white Americans don’t have one, while 25% of African-Americans
don’t have one. These laws disproportionately affect poor
people, who also tend to be minorities. Anyone has the legal ability to go get a state-issued
ID, provided they have the necessary paperwork like their original birth certificate or proof
of name change. But not everyone has the financial ability
to do so. Even if the ID itself was free, if you have
to take off work for several hours to get an ID, when you didn’t need one to get to
work or anything else, that’s a cost that you might not be willing to pay in order to
go vote. Which is why some people claim that it’s
effectively a new form of a poll tax. It’s an unnecessary barrier to voting that
didn’t exist before and doesn’t really solve any problem. Using a fake ID to vote will be just as easy
as using one to buy alcohol, it won’t stop the small amount of voter fraud that exists. But it does stop minorities from voting. Let’s take a look at North Carolina, you’ll
notice that it doesn’t currently have any Voter ID laws, because it was struck down
by the courts. Although the new provisions target African
Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems
assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that don’t exist. The North Carolina legislature pulled racial
voting data and crafted the law around that to purposefully disenfranchise African American
voters with… what did they call it? Surgical precision. With race data in hand, the legislature amended
the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds
of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. If you needed anymore proof that Voter ID
is discriminatory, that should do it, it’s not that you need an ID, it’s which ones
count. Why do you think Texas allows CCLs but not
school IDs? But that’s not all they did, they discovered
that a lot of African American voters used same-day registration, so they got rid of
that. They also cut early voting from seventeen
days down to just ten, because that racial data indicated that a lot of African American
voters tended to vote early during the first seven days. Which eliminated a “Souls to the Polls”
day, when churches would bus people to go vote, do I need to tell you who used that? Likewise, in every state that has Voter ID
laws, you only need to present an ID if you vote in person, not if you do a mail-in or
absentee ballot. Guess who that favors… there’s a trend
here. When you register to vote, you have to identify
yourself and show some sort of proof-of-residence to establish your address. Usually a utility bill or a lease, seems simple
enough. But when North Dakota passed a law requiring
every registered voter to have a valid street address, they effectively disenfranchised
Native Americans who live on reservations. Because the Post Office still hasn’t gotten
around to giving them physical addresses. Even if you have an address, you’re registered
to vote, and you have a valid driver’s license or state-issued ID, you may go to the polls
and find out that you’ve been purged. Which is exactly what happened in Georgia
just a few weeks ago. Brian Kemp, who is running for governor and
also happens to be the current Secretary of State, purged almost a half a million people
from the voter rolls. 70% of which were African American. One of the justifications was that they didn’t
pass an “exact match” which requires all state documents to have the exact same spelling
and spacing of your full name and address. They used computers for this of course, nobody
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be supporting the channel when you do. He did this after the voter registration deadline,
so you won’t be able to fix this before Election Day. People were also purged for not voting in
previous elections. Most states have something like this, known
as use it or lose it, you’re removed from the voter rolls for not voting in the previous
general, midterm, or sometimes even off-year elections. Yes, there are off-year elections, there is
an election literally every November. Many of these laws have good sounding intentions
on their surface, but background negative consequences. They may not always have nefarious intent,
but they will have nefarious effect. It is your duty as an informed citizen to
think about these intents and consequences, especially if it effects people who may not
have the right to vote like you, because now, you know better. Go vote, if you heard nothing else during
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  1. Technically I can be asked for my ID when buying alcohol and such – but in practice, I haven't been in years. That's what I was getting at.

  2. Are native Americans who live on reservations US citizens? I thought the reservations were run like their own sovereign nations.

  3. I've never had to show an ID to get my voters registration card. My state allows anybody to get an ID or Drivers License, citizen and non-citizen, and encourages you to register to vote while getting your ID. You don't have to prove citizenship or even residency and you can get an ID and registered.

  4. I'm a bit late, but why is there no federal level compulsory id in the US? I lived in two countries, Israel (formerly) and Germany (currently) – both having laws stipulating that anyone must have a form of official identification on them at all times (i.e. state-produced national id, or a passport). These ids are also eligible for identification at the voting polls.

  5. Interesting. In Australia the is no Federal Government ID*. No ID is asked for when voting. Just name and address. They may ask for proof of address to make sure you vote in the right electorate. But this would be extremely rare.
    * The closest we have is a Medicare card to access Gov funded discounts. These are for families. My wife and I are on the same card. There is no photo or address or date of birth on the card.

  6. PS voting is compulsory in Australia. You can choose not to if you are over 70. You enrol once and then only have to notify if you change address.
    People in prison can vote if their sentence is less than 3 or 5 years depending on State or Federal law.
    I'm not aware of any restrictions out of jail.

  7. I dont believe you havent used your ID. At 42 I have shown mine 3 times in the last week, you do need to show your id to your employer unless they are sketchy. As far as voter fraud goes, it is one of the few conspiracies I believe our governement engages in, simply because even the perception of rampant voter fraud would delegitimize the government and encourage an anarchistic decision by each person of how much authority they want to give the government. It would literally ruin the country.

  8. In my state the law is you need to show your ID the first time you vote at a polling station, but in reality they require it every time you vote.

  9. I don't understand this video…even illegal aliens can get a state issued ID in California! So, why can't an American citizen!?

  10. Making everything about race again. I'd go on about how ridiculous this is, but why waste my breath…. Smh. Where I live, if you get stopped in the street walking and don't have ID, you get a ticket! Acting like it's sooooo hard to get a $10 ID, and is racist to require one, is such a radical left idea. Come on now.. and not everyone would agree that murderers I prison have any "rights", except I shut the fuck up and be grateful to even be ALIVE!!! You mean to tell me you would care about the rights of someone that brutally raped/beat/murdered your family member? Let's be real here…. Nevermind, that's too much to ask.. and I liked this channel… That didn't go far! ✌️

  11. 0:00 technically, it isn’t. All the constitution says is that you can’t be denied the ability to vote on the grounds of race, sex, age (if you’re 18 or older), religion, or national origin.

  12. I found that the map identifying states with “strict” ID laws showed Indiana, yet Indiana never had an instance of voter suppression. Maybe there IS a way to do things right…

  13. Good points here, but I’d argue that voter disenfranchisement is more about removing the ability to vote based on political position rather than race. It just happens to be so that black Americans typically vote democrats.

  14. 12:33 wait, really? I know like 5 North Dakotans whose legal adresses look something like 16AHG82637 Site 702.

  15. I live in Indonesia that requires voter ID. It's easy to produce. Just one hour to make. Even poor people can make it easy. If Indonesia a third world country can do it why cant the US. It seems like you are stretching too much here making it seems like it's about racism. Which laws say minorities arent allowed to get ID? They just need to not be lazy and follow the process then get an ID. Any sane adult over 18 can do that.

  16. Hhahaahahha 4:10 Alabama excludes people who have had incest the right to vote thats so funny to me (even though it isn’t true that most of the Alabama population has had incest)

  17. This is idiotic just give everyone a nationalised ID Card and people have to bring that when they vote like every country in the world

  18. I strongly disagree with your opinion on voters ID. The whole idea of having a voters ID is to tell if the person is registered to vote or not, not to exclude minorities from participating in elections. That shit is nothing more then race-baiting.

  19. I have to use my I'd all the time cause I'm disabled and only 4ft tall. lots of times they refuse to sell items to me cause I look young cause I'm a dwarf.

  20. 4:00 – "Embezzlement, malfeasance in office, bribery, perjury, and subornation of perjury", eh? Clearly not an obstacle to all of the CEOs still voting…

  21. Didn't drug-testing people on Welfare cost more than Welfare itself, and only prove that nearly all Welfare recipients were clean anyway?
    The government could have anticipated this if they had an ounce of common sense – if you can't afford food, you can't afford drugs.

  22. No, you need ID's to vote… just because so far people have been honest without having an ID doesn't mean it can't be abused.

  23. Hang on, I lost my ID recently and getting it replaced was a matter of an hour. I did it before I went into work. Is it different in your state?

  24. 7:03 I moved to Washington, I think my new dl showed up in a week or 10 days and no line, gotta love that!

  25. This problem is a complete non-issue. Voting IDs are absolutely necessary, and if illiterate people cannot get them, it's better that they do not vote.

  26. If you dont think voter fruad is an issue, what about Broward county Florida? Or the recounts during the 2016 election? How about the fact that states with the biggest issue surrounding illegal immigration, such as California, wont require an I'd when it comes to voting? That may not be the case for all counties in that state, but it is when it comes to bigger cities. Especially sanctuary cities. Saying voter fraud is not that big of an issue is ridiculous.

  27. We in Florida voted for voter restoration to felons, but the Republican state gov made it so that all court fees and fines had to be paid to receive that voting right. This is obviously trying to subvert the Florida people’s wish on a technicality. Everyone knows felons that have been in prison for years don’t have the skills or income to pay these fines. This is blatantly trying to repress the ~1 million felons from being able to vote, most of them black, who historically vote more Democratic.

    It’s fucking sickening.

  28. Happy to point out that Nevada has recently changed its laws and felons who have completed their sentences, have their voting rights restored automatically.

  29. An estimated 7.5% of African Americans are currently disenfranchised due to felony disenfranchisement. I agree sort of with the idea in principle; but when applied in a country with systemic issues of racism in it's criminal justice system it ends up resulting in disproportional disenfranchisement. That's about 1/12 African Americans in this country who CANNOT VOTE IN THE 2016 ELECTION DUE TO FELONY DISENFRANCHISEMENT ALONE. Sometimes I wish we did this in Canada; but then I realize that this would mean a disproportional number of first nations ('indians') would be unable to vote as they are way overrepresented in the criminal justice system, and that would be fucked up. In Canada EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. The right to vote is a fundamental right in our, and practically every other democratic, country. The idea that you can just take away somebody's right to vote is contrary to what most countries hold dear. Do I want more criminals in Canada voting? No. Hell; sometimes I wish we didn't allow them to vote. But at the end of the day they are Canadian Citizens, and they are therefore granted an unalienable right to participate in our democratic process should they so choose.

  30. You do know that you can make an appointment with the DMV, right?
    In Virginia you can renew your driver's license even online..

    Wouldn't the voter ID type problem be fixed if on federal level was decided which documents MUST count as a valid voter ID?
    Anyway, I'm not allowed to vote either. But that is because I'm here on a Visa..

  31. North Dakota here. We have ID requirements but no registration. Anyone can show up day-of which is actually quite nice for the recently-18 or newly-moved. The purpose of proving your address is because most of the ballot is going to have city and county specific measures and elections. It’s to make sure that you get the correct ballot and are voting at one of your correct voting stations. It’s a rural state so it’s not uncommon for someone to live in one area yet commute 100 miles to work or school in another while you go get groceries once a month somewhere completely different but equally far away. I can’t speak on the Native American angle though but I can say that the Fort Berthold reservation exists across four different counties and three major towns.

  32. You must not go to the bank, ever got a library card. Voter ID is a good idea. I can get a new I'd in an hour. You've given zero good reason as to why it's not. I've seen voter fraud. It's real.

  33. Why don't you just have a 3rd party system that deals with all this stuff instead of leaving it in the hands of parties who have the motivation to stack the deck?
    Election Canada isn't perfect, but surely its much better than what you have.

  34. What does any of this have to do with allowing citizens of other countries who are not US Citizens being allowed to vote… nothing. ILLEGALS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE…… forget all the bullshit.

  35. Voter suppression is but a distraction; an emotionally satisfying cause intended to hide in plain sight the actual method of election fraud in the USA.

    The voting machines are rigged. Irregularities in the exit polling are ignored, and the media just tells us who won and why. Look it up if you doubt it, and prepare to be shocked. It's been investigated and we'll documented but ignored by the media.

    We're ruled by a fascist corporate cabal that keeps us divided with a hoax Left/Right paradigm to keep us fighting amongst ourselves over frivolous and trivial issues while our political leaders are selected, not elected, as they laugh all the way to the bank.

    The sooner people wake up, the sooner something can be done; but most people just believe what they're told and find it impossible to believe that their government and their favorite talking heads on TV would conspire to deceive us. It's much easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.

    Sad but true.

  36. Brian Temp was legally required by law to purge them. Everyone in his position has had to. Over the years more whites than blacks have been purged by hundreds of thousands. It’s not close. I don’t like voter id’s but Brian did nothing wrong. The rule is exact match and not voting in 5+ consecutive years will get you purged. And all you have to do is re-register and your able to vote.

  37. Just a small note – Colorado lets you vote while on parole. You only have to serve your sentence if you're convicted, meaning that you can still vote while in court.

  38. I'm fine with no federal rules. Change the laws in your state not the feds. Federal government has too much power anyways. States always get glossed over when they are the stepping stones. Stop rushing to the feds and focus on your state if you wish to make true change. Your local mayor has more power over your life than the president does.

  39. To buy cigarettes or alcohol you do need to show a photo ID with your birth date on it, preferably your drivers license or state ID. Though there are other documents you can use.

  40. They should use the system they have in Australia where they have all the registered voters on a list in the electorate then u get your name ticked off

  41. In Mexico we use the National/Federal Elector ID as de Facto national id, because its a document in federal level to use (has even more official validity as a mv license, a passport or a Military Service primer), its not like USA, the elector ID depends on the states to implement, here its obligatory to do any kind of process have an INE or it you process it before 2013 an IFE.

  42. If a law doesn't affect minorities directly then we should argue against what it actually does. Not it's "intentions"

  43. LMAO, lazy bums who just want to increase the size of their welfare check stolen from hardworking people shouldn't have the right to vote.

  44. Brazil does the opposite: mandatory registration and vote, and if you don't you get a fine (small, but still) and is unable to hold public office (not just elective ones) and get a passport, and some other public services.

  45. Protestantism was not a requirement for being able to vote in America. Technically, there has never been a religious restriction. While Catholics were a minority, and an often oppressed one, a number of prominent Catholic families existed in America whose patriarchs could vote. Including Charles Carroll of Maryland who was a B-list founding father and signatory of the Declaration of Independence. Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson, himself, was a deist and not a Protestant therefore the requirement would have barred him from voting. Many of the other founding fathers were also deists and the requirement of being Protestant would have terribly inconvenienced the political careers they definitely actually had. In short, while the founding fathers were often described as Protestant, a small percentage were Catholic and a significant minority were deist.

  46. Every day I find something new about the US that leaves me like wtf. In European countries you don't have to worry about "losing several hours of your job" to do certain things – you just do it. Need to get some important document? You go and get it, you can absent from work that time because it's a justified absence.

  47. Going to see Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, Hillary or Bill Clinton speak you have to show ID. I do agree any real ID should work.

  48. Requiring ID is not voter suppression…. being poor isnt inherently a form of voter suppression either, since applying for welfare, housing, medical coverage and many other things require ID as well.

  49. In fairness, in Texas a gun liciense is a government id (as in given by the government) and a school id is not all you had to do was go to school and u have one

  50. It boggles my mind that America has managed to make such a mess of its identification system. In Sweden you are immediately assigned a personal number with your date of birth, two random digits and control digits. This is linked to your identity and is listed on any official form of identification. You cannot verify your own identity without a photo-ID such as a passport or drivers license, which can easily be ordered from a police station by filling out a form. Simple, works fantastically and 72 years later has not resulted in a totalitarian state. US Republicans should take note.

  51. in most latin american countries you get an Identification Number and Electoral card – all in one- which is used for absolutely everything. in some countries you're assigned an ID number at birth for life, and when you turn 16 you get an underage id card, (with a huge CAN'T VOTE, as well as different color scheme, same goes for military and non citizens) , when you turn 18 and get voting rights then you get a regular citizens card with the electoral information

  52. In 2015's Crawford vs. Marion County Board of elections, the Supreme Court ruled that Voter ID laws are kosher because such laws do not impose an undue burden on voters, and states have an inherent interest in insuring the integrity of elections. On the other hand lower Federal Courts have already challenged Voter ID laws deemed to have a discriminatory effect, particularly racial discrimination, whether intentional or not. The 2017 case North Carolina et al vs. North Carolina State Conference of the NAACP is a noteworthy case in this regard.

  53. So I looked it up and it seems that a state ID is worth around $16? The time waiting around nobody wants to do I understand that, but is $16 really such an obstacle for people? I am far from rich but $16 for the ability to vote seems like a pretty good deal none the less.

  54. Charity/religious groups already help the poor get to the polls, you don’t think they would help get them IDs as well? Also to get a conceal cart permit requires fingerprints and a background check to verify who you are which a school ID does not. And if requiring an ID is done to prevent the poor (especially minorities) from voting wouldn’t requiring ID to obtain a firearm do the same?

  55. You need to to more research on Texas voter ID laws because there are multiple forms of ID that one can use to vote. Don't misrepresent.

  56. I completely disagree about ID's causing voter disenfranchisement. Every State can and will issue a State ID to anyone who can not afford it, one free of charge. With the advent of the Internet, it can be done online. You can not sit there and tell me that someone is not able to get to a DMV. Plenty of Groups and Organizations that make that possible at no charge. Getting your driver's license renewed can be done online in many States. Voter fraud does exist in many forms. While having a valid State Issued ID will not stop it, it will IMO cut back on a lot of it State to State. There is nothing wrong what so ever in showing a valid State Issued ID. School ID's, either High Schools or Collages IMO should not be valid. The States control the elections, not schools/collages. This tired song from Dems about voter disenfranchisement because of having to have a valid State issued ID is pure crap. If Blacks or others do not want to get one due to what ever reason they have, that's on them. Who do they think they're hiding from? The Government, both State and Federal already knows who they are as well as everybody else. Pure paranoia is all it is. Voter Disenfranchisement happens to a certain degree from the person(s) themselves.

  57. Making sure felons can't vote must be one hell of a relief to all those pieces of shit politicians that made sure just about every drug crime got ridiculous long sentences.
    The only people besides the guards that know how idiotic that is are also the one's who cannot really vote against it as an issue.

  58. "Voting is a right like owning a firearm." Bad analogy as you have to show an ID to buy a firarm. Completly disagree. Getting an ID is cheap, easy and a requirement in this modern age.

  59. "but if you take the bus everyday and find out you suddenly need to do all that you're probably not gonna vote" That just makes people against it sound lazy.
    "a few hours of work" is well worth being able to democracy.

  60. I'm sorry but taking a few hours of work is such a minimal price to pay for fucking democracy. And "we didn't have to do so before" is extremely lazy, the world changes.

  61. Wait, no idiots and insane people? Well, I suppose those Alabamans (or Alabawomans?) who can still vote will be all the more happy.

    ….All eight of them.

  62. Just a reminder when debating a low information conservative who will always approach this from the angle of "Anybody CAN get an ID so voter id laws are fine.", don't even let that argument become a start. Make them justify the need to have a voter id law using actual facts and statistics, which they can't because the abundance of facts and statistics do not support this as a need at all.

    We don't require all citizens to have a plastic spork and an eyeglass screwdriver glued together to fend off flamingo attacks. Sure basically anybody can get a spork, an eyeglass screwdriver and some elmers glue for less than 2 dollars and 3 store trips but there's no fucking evidence that flamingo attacks are a problem.

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