Media Will Declare Hillary Wins Primary Before California Polls Close


>>THIS WEEK, SHAWN KING —
TODAY I BELIEVE SHAWN KING WROTE A PIECE IN THE NEW YORK DAILY
NEWS, WHICH MANY OTHERS HAVE COVERED TOO, AND I LIKE SHAWN
KING, I’M SURE YOU DO AS WELL.>>YES, I DO.>>BUT SHAWN KING WROTE A PIECE
QUOTING CHRIS MATTHEWS ON HIS SHOW, WHERE MATTHEWS DIDN’T
APPEAR TO SUGGEST BUT SUGGESTED THAT WHEN NEW JERSEY CLOSES,
PRESUMING THAT HILLARY CLINTON WINS NEW JERSEY AS SHE IS
EXPECTED TO WIN NEW JERSEY, THAT THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE
DEMOCRATIC RACE FOR PRESIDENT OVER AND DECLARE HILLARY CLINTON
THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE, THE NOMINEE, THEY WILL PUT SOME
CHECKMARK BY HER BEFORE POLLS HAVE CLOSED IN CALIFORNIA. THERE
IS NO NEED FOR ME TO EXPLAIN IT, WE WILL GO TO VIDEO 2 AND ALLOW
CHRISTMAS USED TO DO IT.>>THIS IS WHAT I CALL TROUBLE,
I’M ABOUT TO START. I’M TOLD BY THE EXPERTS ON NUMBERS AROUND
HERE THAT COME JUNE 7, THE DAY OF THE CALIFORNIA PRIMARY, WHICH
YOUR CANDIDATE, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, WANTS TO GET TO AND
MAY HAVE A CHANCE OF KNOCKING OFF HILLARY AT THAT EVENT, A
LAST HURRAH, THAT IT IS A CLOCK EASTERN TIME THAT NIGHT THE
NETWORKS WILL BE PREPARED, INCLUDING THIS ONE, TO ANNOUNCE
THAT HILLARY HAS GOTTEN OVER-THE-TOP AND HAS WON THE
NOMINATION, WHAT WILL THAT DO TO TURN OUT IF IT IS 5 O’CLOCK
PACIFIC TIME WITH THREE MORE HOURS TO VOTE IN CALIFORNIA? WHO
WILL BE LEAST LIKELY TO VOTE, SANDERS PEOPLE OR
HILLARY PEOPLE? I HAVE HEARD BOTH THEORIES.>>I THINK IT WILL DEPRESS TURNOUT ON
BOTH SIDES, WHENEVER THERE IS NO CONTEST I THINK YOU GET
DEPRESSED TURNOUT ON BOTH SIDES. IT WILL BE AN INACCURATE
DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE OF THE RACE, FRANKLY THAT BANG>>I WOULD GO MUCH FURTHER THAN
JEFF WEAVER JUST DID.>>IF ONLY YOU HAD A PROGRAM
WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO.>>OH RIGHT, WE ARE ON AIR. THE
SUPERDELEGATES VOTE DURING THE CONVENTION, THEY HAVE NOT VOTED,
THEY WERE PUT UP ON THE BOARD FROM DAY ONE BY MOST OF THE
ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, JAKE TAPPER CLAIMS HE
DOESN’T DO IT ON HIS PROGRAM. OTHER THAN THAT, ALL OF THE
NETWORKS SEEM TO DO IT. I TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, THE PRESS
DOESN’T HAVE A LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE BIAS, IT HAS AN
ESTABLISHMENT OF BIAS. SO WHEN THEY SEE THOSE WONDERFUL
ESTABLISHMENT SUPERDELEGATES LINING UP FOR HILLARY, THEY
COUNT THEM. WAIT A MINUTE, THOSE SUPERDELEGATES SWITCHED THEIR
VOTES IN 2008. SO IT IS AN ACT OF JOURNALISTIC MALPRACTICE TO
SAY THEY HAVE ALREADY VOTED, WHICH IS NOT TRUE, OR THAT THEY
WILL ALWAYS KEEP THEIR VOTE THE WAY IT IS, WHICH IS ALSO NOT
TRUE. NONETHELESS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS 1000
TIMES, ALL THE ESTABLISHMENT PRESS HAVE COUNTED ALL ALONG TO
MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HILLARY HAS A BIGGER LEAD THAN SHE DOES, WHICH
GIVES THE PERCEPTION OF HURTING THE WINNER, WHICH
AFFECTS VOTING. AND NOW THEY WILL SAY WE ARE
DECLARING IT AND IT IS OVER. SO EVEN BEFORE THE VOTING IN
CALIFORNIA, THE LARGEST STATE, IS DONE, CHRIS MATTHEWS
IS SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? WE WILL DECLARE IT.>>IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT
IS NOT WHAT CHRIS MATTHEWS WAS DOING, HE WAS LITERALLY GIVING
JEFF WEAVER THIS INFORMATION AND GETTING THE REACTION, HE WASN’T
SAYING IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, AS YOU LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE
INTERVIEW HE HAD I THOUGHT A FAIRLY FAIR INTERVIEW WITH
JEFF WEAVER AND STEVE MCMAHON, A DEMOCRATIC
CONSULTANT.>>HE DID ASK IT AS A QUESTION,
AND HE SAID IT IN A WAY WHERE, MAYBE HE SHOULDN’T HAVE
SAID IT.>>MAYBE I SHOULDN’T SAY THIS,
MAYBE THIS IS NOT RIGHT. YOUR THOUGHTS?>>IT IS NOT ON MATTHEWS, IT IS
ON THE DECISION ITSELF.>>AND IT WAS THE NETWORK, AND
MATTHEWS WAS SUGGESTING IT WOULD BE DONE BY THE OTHER NETWORKS
TOO, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE TOO. ARE WE ALL GOING
TO DECIDE THAT THE SUPERDELEGATES PUT HER OVER THE
TOP? WHAT I FIND HYPOCRITICAL OF YOU AND THE WAY THE SHOW HANDLES
THIS SITUATION IS YOU CONSISTENTLY TALK ABOUT THE
IRRELEVANCE OF THE MAINSTREAM TELEVISION MEDIA THAT NOBODY
YOUNG WATCHES OR PAYS ATTENTION, THEN WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE
THIS YOU ACT LIKE IT MASSIVELY INFLUENCES THE ELECTION. I HAVE
NOT FOUND ONE WEBSITE THAT I GO TO REGULARLY, WHICH IS BASICALLY
HAVING IN POST, REAL CLEAR POLITICS, AND THE NEW YORK
TIMES, THAT INCLUDES SUPERDELEGATES IN THE TOTAL
WITHOUT A FURTHER SEARCH. YOU CAN GET THEM TO INCLUDE IT, BUT
THEIR INITIAL NUMBERS ARE PLEDGED DELEGATES, AND FURTHER
DOWN YOU CAN ADD THE SUPERDELEGATES.>>IN HUFFINGTON POST YOU HAVE
TO UNCHECK A BOX TO GET TO PLEDGED DELEGATES.>>YOU DON’T.>>I HAVE DONE IT 100 TIMES.>>I HAVE DONE IT TWICE TODAY,
WE’RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SITES ON HOW WE CAN POST. I GO TO THE
POLLSTER SITE AND IT IS NEVER THERE.>>I HAVE TO UNCHECK TO GET JUST
PLEDGED DELEGATES, BUT I’M MAINLY TALKING ABOUT TV.>>AND THE NEW YORK TIMES, WHICH
HAS A GOOD — I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE POST DOES, BUT THE TIMES HAS
A GOOD — THEY JUST LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN EACH
STATE, RESULTS BY COUNTY, THAT IS WHAT I AM FOLLOWING. IN TV I
SUPPOSE THEY DO, BUT MOST OF MY EXPERIENCE HERE HAS BEEN
SUPERDELEGATES NOT INCLUDED UNTIL THEY SAY, IF YOU INCLUDE
THEM.>>IT IS INTERESTING WHAT OUR
DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS ARE.>>BUT YOUR PERCEPTION –>>ALMOST EVERY TIME ON TV, AND
BY THE WAY, WE USE NEW YORK TIMES ON ELECTION NIGHT BECAUSE
THEY DON’T DO THAT AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE. SO THAT IS A FAIR POINT BY YOU. BUT ON TV, SUPERDELEGATES,
SUPERDELEGATES, ALMOST EVERY TIME.>>WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT PEOPLE
WATCHED BY 72-YEAR-OLDS ARE DOING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM>>BECAUSE 72-YEAR-OLDS VOTE. AND TO BE FAIR TO ME, AND I
LOVE TO BE FAIR TO ME, FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE, YES,
TELEVISION IS IRRELEVANT. HOW MANY PEOPLE UNDER 35 ARE
WATCHING CHRIS MATTHEWS?>>JUST LET ME INTERJECT, USA
TODAY STILL RUNS ON MONDAY THE RATINGS FOR ALL THE TOP 10 TV
SHOWS, I WAS TALKING TO MY OLDEST FRIEND ABOUT THIS, I USED
TO TELL THAT SECTION OPEN ON MONDAYS. SHOWS ONE THROUGH 10,
HE HAD NEVER HEARD OF.>>THEY HAVE LOST TO THE
RELEVANCE. SOME OF THOSE SHOWS ON ABC, THE BIG HITS ON PRIME
TIME, HAVE LOST 700,000 TO ONE MILLION 18 TO 34-YEAR-OLDS
IN ONE YEAR. IT’S LIKE ICE CAPS, THEY ARE
MELTING AWAY.>>IT IS A GREAT STORY TO THROW
IN AT ANY TIME, IN THE LATE 90S OR EARLY 2000, THE JONATHAN
SILVERMAN SHOW THE SINGLE GUY IT WAS ON NBC, IT WAS AFTER CHEERS
OR COSBY OR SOMETHING, MAYBE AFTER SEINFELD, AND IT RAN FOR
TWO SEASONS, ERNEST BORGNINE WAS ON, IT HAD LIKE 22 MILLION
VIEWERS AND THEY CANCELED IT FOR LOW RATINGS.>>NOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO FOR 22
MILLION VIEWERS. THAT THE DISTINCTION IS, YES, PEOPLE OVER
40 STILL WATCH TELEVISION, AND THE NEWS THAT THEY GET IS
ENORMOUSLY BIASED AGAIN TOWARD THE ESTABLISHMENT. THEY TEND TO
VOTE MORE OFTEN, SO THE REASON I RAIL AGAINST TV IS THAT I KNOW
THAT FOR A BIG CHUNK OF THIS COUNTRY UNFORTUNATELY IT STILL
MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.>>THOSE SUPERDELEGATES HAVE SAID
THEY WILL SUPPORT CLINTON.>>HERE’S HOW I WOULD DO IT IF I
WAS — NOT IF I WAS GOING TO DO IT, I AM GOING TO DO IT, WE HAVE
ELECTION MIGHT COVERAGE EVERY NIGHT AND WE WILL DO IT ON JUNE
7 AS WELL. YOU SAY — YOU WAIT, YOU REPORT WHAT THE PLEDGED
DELEGATES ARE AT THE END OF THE VOTING, INCLUDING CALIFORNIA,
AND THEN YOU SAY, HERE ARE THE SUPERDELEGATES. IF THE
SUPERDELEGATES STAY WITH HILLARY CLINTON, WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY
LIKELY, THAT MEANS TONIGHT SHE PROBABLY WENT OVER THE TOP. BUT
WE WON’T KNOW UNTIL THEY VOTE. NOW ON ANY OTHER ELECTION YEAR,
I WOULD SAY THAT DISTINCTION IS ABOUT AS MEANINGLESS AS IT GETS,
THERE I WOULD BE WITH YOU. IN THIS YEAR, THE PERSON WITH THE
PLEDGED DELEGATE LEAD IS UNDER AN FBI INVESTIGATION. I KNOW
THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT AS RELEVANT, I’M
SORRY, I’M BREAKING THE RULES, I CONSIDER IT RELEVANT. IT IS A
VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE 45 DAYS BETWEEN THE
END OF THE VOTING, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES —
WASHINGTON, DC THE NEXT WEEK.>>AS USUAL DC GETS DISMISSED,
EVEN ON TYT.>>45 DAYS BETWEEN THE END OF THE
VOTING AND THE CONVENTIONS, AND YES, SOMETHING DRAMATIC
COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.>>IT IS NOT QUITE FAIR THAT SHE
IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, BUT SUPPOSE SHE GETS INDICTED. SHE
IS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION, HER USE OF EMAILS IS. SHE IS NOT
UNDER A CRIMINAL PROBE.>>I DON’T QUITE AGREE WITH THAT,
BUT GO AHEAD.>>SUPPOSE ALL THE NETWORKS SAY
THAT HILLARY CLINTON WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE SUPERDELEGATES HAS
ENOUGH DELEGATES, SHE WOULD BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. THEY
WON’T SAY SHE IS, THEY WILL SAY SHE WOULD BE. AND THEN SHE GETS
INDICTED 22 DAYS LATER. YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE CNN AND
MSNBC SAID SHE IS THE NOMINEE THEY WILL BE LIKE, I GUESS SHE
HAS TO BE, THEY SAID IT ON TV? THAT’S INSANE, SHE WON’T BE THE
NOMINEE.>>BUT LOOK AT HOW THEY TREAT THE
INVESTIGATION. I’VE NEVER HAD A MAJOR CANDIDATE WHO IS LIKELY TO
BE THE NOMINEE UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE CAMPAIGN, AND YET THE MEDIA — THEY TALK ABOUT EMAILS AND
USUALLY THE MOST IRRELEVANT PARTS OF THAT CONTROVERSY, BUT
THEN THEY ARE LIKE, FBI INVESTIGATIONS DON’T COUNT,
THERE IS NO WAY SHE WILL GET INDICTED. SHE IS THE WINNER,
MOVE ON.>>YOUR FILTER IS BLIND, AND IT
HAS BEEN YOUR WORST COVERAGE THAT I HAVE SET WITH YOU ON.
THAT EMAIL SCANDAL HAS BEEN COVERED TO DEATH, AND IT HAS
HURT HER, IT IS PARTLY WHY BERNIE SANDERS IS WHERE HE IS,
IT IS PARTLY WHY SHE IS DAMAGED, YOU CAN MAKE A CASE THAT SHE
DESERVES TO BE DAMAGED BY IT, I’M NOT MAKING A CASE THAT IT
SHOULD BE IGNORED OR PLAYED UP OR ANYTHING. BUT IT HAS HURT
HER, NO QUESTION. OUR NEXT STORY TODAY IS ABOUT THE RELEASE OF
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S REPORT FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT, IT
HURTS HER. IT IS BAD, IT DOES NOT ALLEGE WHAT WOULD SEEM TO ME
TO RISE TO THE LEVEL OF AN INDICTABLE CRIME BUT I’M NOT A
LAWYER.>>BUT AM I WRONG THAT MOST
EVERYONE ON TV IS SAYING — THEY ARE NOT MAKING IT LIKE, WHAT IF
THERE IS AN INDICTMENT. ALMOST EVERYONE ASSUMES THERE WILL BE
NO INDICTMENT, AND WHEN I MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT, THE COVERAGE
WE GET ON IT IS LIKE, THERE THEY GO, TALKING ABOUT A POSSIBLE
INDICTMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN FBI INVESTIGATION THAT
99 OUT OF 100 TIMES LEADS TO AN INDICTMENT.>>THAT IS NOT TRUE.>>THIS MIGHT BE THE ONE TIME
BECAUSE SHE IS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL. IF YOU ARE AN AVERAGE
PERSON –>>YOUR ANALYSIS IS SO WRONG, IT
IS STAGGERING. I DON’T KNOW THAT 99 OUT OF 100 TIMES THE FBI
INVESTIGATES ANYTHING IT ENDS IN AN INDICTMENT. YOU ARE WRONG, I
WILL BET YOU $1 BILLION.>>YOU HAVE A DOZEN FBI AGENT ON
SOMETHING, THEY ARE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS, IT IS NOT A BIG
DEAL, LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS?>>WHICH IS IT? SHE SO POWERFUL
SHE CAN PREVENT THE INDICTMENT, OR IS SHE NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH
THAT THEY HAVE DOZENS OF HAPPY AGENTS AND ALWAYS RESOURCES TO
SEE THAT SHE GETS INDICTED? IS SHE A VICTIM OF THIS CONSPIRACY
THAT HAS COME OUT AGAINST HER, OR SHE IS SO POWERFUL SHE IS
ABLE TO CRUSH IT? BECAUSE IT HAS DONE HER FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS,
NO NEUTRAL OBSERVER OF THIS CAMPAIGN WOULD THINK HILLARY
CLINTON HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH AN EMAIL SCANDAL.>>OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS YOU ARE ADDRESSING. NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS
OF THE FBI RUNNING AN INVESTIGATION, SHE IS NOT SO
POWERFUL THAT SHE CAN STOP A REPUBLICAN WHO IS THE HEAD OF
THE FBI FROM STOPPING THAT INVESTIGATION. JAMES COMEY WAS
NUMBER TWO UNDER JOHN ASHCROFT. HE IS NOT A LITTLE REPUBLICAN.
HE HAD A MOMENT OF PRINTABLE DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION,
THAT IS WHY OBAMA PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF THE FBI.
BUT HE IS ENORMOUSLY REPUBLICAN. HILLARY CAN’T SAY TO A
REPUBLICAN HEAD OF THE FBI, PLEASE STOP YOUR LEGITIMATE
INVESTIGATION. THAT CAN’T HAPPEN. BUT IS SHE POWERFUL IN
TERMS OF HAVING PEOPLE ON TV SAY, NO, HILLARY CLINTON, SHE IS
THE NOMINEE SO OF COURSE THERE WON’T BE AN INDICTMENT?>>DO THEY HOLD THEIR ARMS OPEN
LIKE THAT?>>OFTENTIMES THEY DO, YES. SO
WHAT I KEEP ASKING THE TV PEOPLE IS, HOW DO YOU KNOW? DO YOU
HAVE A MOLE INSIDE THE FBI? MAYBE THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT
ASSUMPTION.>>WHERE WOULD WE HEAR CLIPS
ABOUT EVERYONE SAYING THIS? I’M SURE YOU’D FIND THEM. THIS SHOW WILL FIND THE CLIPS OF
PEOPLE WHO DISMISS IT AND IGNORE THE CLIPS OF PEOPLE WHO
DON’T.>>THERE IS A DOZEN FBI
AGENTS INVESTIGATING HER? WHY IS THAT NOT AN ENORMOUS
STORY QUEST PUPPETS IT IS A GIGANTIC STORY.>>BUT THEY WERE DECLARED FOR HER
IGNORING THAT STORY ALTOGETHER.>>BUT WHAT DOES THAT MATTER?
THAT HAS THE VALUE OF ME DECLARING IT. IT IS POINTLESS.
IF SHE GETS INDICTED SHE WILL BE THE NOMINEE, REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER CABLE CHANNELS SAY WITH SUPERDELEGATES SHE WILL GO OVER
THE TOP. YOU ARE TYING TOGETHER THE NOTION OF A POTENTIAL FBI
INDICTMENT THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TV, AND WHY WE SHOULD EXPECT
GREAT POLITICAL ANALYSIS FROM THEM, I HAVE NO IDEA, THEY
HAVEN’T OFFERED IT SINCE WALTER CRONKITE RETIRED, AND MAYBE
BEFORE THEN, WHY SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THEM AND PUT SO MUCH
CREDENCE ON WHAT THEY SAY? IF SHE GETS INDICTED SHE WILL NOT
— I DON’T KNOW, I THINK IF SHE GETS INDICTED SHE WILL NOT BE
THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT, WHETHER
CNN SAID ON JUNE 7 THAT SHE WILL BE WITH THE
SUPERDELEGATES OR NOT.>>STAY WITH ME, BECAUSE I THINK
IN SOME WAYS YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME. HERE IS WHY. IF YOU
THINK SHE GETS INDICTED SHE IS NOT THE NOMINEE, THEN SHOULDN’T
EVERYBODY ON TV BE SAYING, WELL, SHE MIGHT BE THE NOMINEE OR SHE
MIGHT BE INDICTED, IN WHICH CASE SHE CLEARLY WON’T BE THE
NOMINEE. BUT NO ONE IS SAYING THAT.>>FIRST OF ALL, THERE HAVE NOT
BEEN ANY STORIES SUGGESTING THAT SHE WILL GET CHARGED WITH A
CRIME. THAT IT WOULD BE HER OFFICE, OR SOMEBODY ELSE — WE
DON’T KNOW, BUT THE STORIES I HAVE READ FROM — I’M NOT GOING
TO GET THEIR JOBS RIGHT, BUT FROM FORMER FEDERAL
INVESTIGATORS IS THAT IT IS VERY UNLIKELY TO PRODUCE AN
INDICTMENT, AND IF IT DOES, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT IN THE
LAW FOR IT WHICH WOULD AFFECT YOUR DECISION TO PROSECUTE, IF
THE RESULT OF THE PROSECUTION IS, BUT WE DON’T HAVE ANYTHING
WRITTEN INTO IT PARTLY BECAUSE IT IS AN INCREDIBLY POORLY
WRITTEN LAW. SO BASED ON ALL THAT, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY TO ME
THAT SHE WILL BE INDICTED. IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, IF SHE GETS
INDICTED, I WOULD IMAGINE SHE WON’T BE THE NOMINEE. I DON’T
THINK THESE THINGS ARE RELATED. I THINK THE FACT THAT ASIDE FROM
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT THERE IS THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL’S REPORT FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT, WHICH SHE
THEORETICALLY COULD HAVE WASHED, I SUPPOSE, IF SHE WAS
ALL-POWERFUL, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IS TECHNICALLY
INDEPENDENT BUT JOHN KERRY AND BARACK OBAMA PUT HAVE PUT
PRESSURE ON IT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BREAKING THE LAW, BUT –>>I’M NOT SUGGESTING SHE WILL
QUASH IT BECAUSE SHE IS POWERFUL, I DON’T THINK SHE GETS
TO QUASH THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS WHY I THINK THE
INDICTMENT IS POSSIBLE. MAYBE THESE TV GUYS KNOW
SOMETHING I DON’T KNOW, THAT SHE IS SO POWERFUL THAT
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN A WAY I DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>YOU SHOULD MAKE A POINT OF
HILLARY COULD GET INDICTED AND IF SO SHE WON’T BE THE NOMINEE,
AND BERNIE SHOULD STAY IN BECAUSE IF HE DROPS OUT IT IS
EASIER FOR THE PARTY TO PUSH JOE BIDEN IN LIKE YOU BUT
HUMPHREY.>>AND THEY WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY
TRY.>>BUT IF YOU HAVE A GUY WHO IS
300 DELEGATES SHORT OF GETTING THE NOMINATION AND IS STILL IN
THE RACE, IT BECOMES HARDER TO DO THAT AND CREATE A LEGITIMATE
FIGHT. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN TYING IT INTO WHAT IS A
CONSISTENT THEME THAT I JUST DON’T THINK BEARS OUT, THAT THE
MEDIA HAS THIS GIANT FIX IN FOR CLINTON WHEN HILLARY CLINTON
SUPPORTERS, RIGHT OR WRONG, CAN COME ON AND MAKE A CASE VERY
EASILY THAT THE MEDIA HAS HAD A FIX IN FOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR
24 YEARS AND THEY STILL HAVE IT IN FOR HER. AND IN ADDITION TO
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S REPORT AND THE CONGRESSIONAL
INVESTIGATIONS THERE IS A REPORT BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES,
NOT SPECIFICALLY THE CIA, UNDER THE PENUMBRA OF ALL THE
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, THEY ARE INVESTIGATING IN ADDITION TO
THE FBI — IF NOTHING COMES OUT OF THIS CASE IT HAS BEEN
SUFFICIENTLY INVESTIGATED.>>IF NOTHING COMES OUT OF THE
CASE IT IS OVER, OVER, OVER. THE ONLY GUY WHO WILL CONTINUE
TO TALK ABOUT IS DONALD TRUMP, AND HE WON’T STOP, HE
WILL ALLEGE A COVER-UP –>>HE TALKED ABOUT VINCE FOSTER
TODAY.>>OF COURSE. IF THERE IS NO
INDICTMENT, THE PRIMARY IS OVER. AND AFTER CALIFORNIA LIKELY,
BECAUSE IF THERE IS A 300 PLEDGED DELEGATES LEAD SHE WILL
HAVE WON MORE PLEDGED DELEGATES, THE SUPERDELEGATES ARE ON HER
SIDE, THEY WILL VOTE FOR HER AT THE CONVENTION AND
THAT WILL BE THAT.

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  1. I get what everyone is saying that Ben needs to be the opposing side to make the show unbiased, but here he's just plain wrong. CNN has done everything they can to try and ignore the Clinton e-mail scandal as much as possible, and they have been saying the race against Bernie was over since like 4 months ago…

  2. Indictments occur in the vast majority of cases… https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/

  3. WHAT DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND!!?? They declared Obama the presumptive nominee on June 3, 2008 and that was BEFORE the superdelegates actually voted. He had enough endorsements by superdelegates and pledged delegates to pass the magic number. I don't understand how it is all of a sudden a precedent that the networks wait to actually announce a presumptive nominee before the superdelegates actually cast their votes at the convention. And you said it yourself "in 2008 the superdelegates switched their votes"–yes they did and the tally of superdelegates that switched was moved off Clinton and onto Obama accordingly at the time the pledged delegate lead switched from Clinton to Obama. That's not called malpractice, that's called accuracy. If after New Jersey votes, and hypothetically 200 superdelegates say they now back Sanders, well add 200 to Sanders' totals. Honestly this is NOT rocket science.

  4. Quality debate regardless of your point of view. Awesome to see that sort of discussion and back and forth dialogue.

  5. IF THE DNC AND CLINTON PULL THIS DIRTY TRICK, BERNIE SANDERS SHOULD DECLARE HE IS RUNNING AS INDEPENDENT

  6. The DNC will do anything to steal this nomination from Bernie Sanders. If this happens, I will Vote Trump in protest and against any candidate that runs (D).

  7. I'm a bernie supporter but i like the fact that ben is a hillary supporter, it offers a better conversation when we can hear both sides of the story

  8. I'd become a member if I could get a "Ben free" version of TYT…

    Anyway, in a Cenk voice "I do declare"

  9. "She's not under investigation, her use of emails is."

    Oh, OK so OJ Simpson wasn't under investigation, just his alleged double murder was.

    I loathe Establishment Ben…

  10. Ben's sources would make him one of the least well-informed journalists.NYT,Huff Post???Give me a break.

  11. Ben, thank you for always being the voice of reason and keeping Cenk in check.  Cenk needs you on full-time or you need your own news show.

  12. WHY THE POWER OF THE LIBERAL AMERICAN MEDIA TO SHAPE ELECTIONS IS GONE !
    Donald Trump represents the single greatest threat to the progressive lefts 30 year history of name calling, bullying, demonization of those who happen to think differently to them. WHY? Because Trump shows them of for the nonsense they are. Every time he is accused of any of the name calling titles that the left accuses him of he just shrugs it of and carrys on. He refuses to cow-tail and be silent to the lefts threats. *AND THIS PISSES THE REGRESSIVE LEFT OFF BIG TIME !
    AMERICANS HAVE WOKEN UP TO THE REGRESSIVE LEFTS BULLY -BOY TACTICS TO INHIBIT SILENCE BY NAME CALLING.
    *REGRESSIVE LIBERALISM IS DEAD…. AMERICA HAS WOKEN UP TO YOUR CRAP !

  13. Ben is full of crap -they are constantly saying Hillary has 2000+ delegates. And yes people will be watching MSNBC, CNN and Fox for the results and they will influence the vote-cut the crap Ben you know better, Are you auditioning for MSM

  14. Imagine if Michael Sure was there too! Facts on facts – thank goodness for Ben – TYT is so delusional against Hillary

  15. Ben is SO biased. It's interesting listening to him. Is he this passionate when mainstream media abandoned objectivity and presented stories with a bias in her favor? I don't remember seeing him so passionate when rules are being bent to suit her. I don't see this much passionate regarding Wassermen Schultz's shenanigans. I'm finding it hard to take Ben seriously.

  16. it means only one thing Ben is corrupt to you must be if you call it an conspiracy against Clinton Can he read ? connect the dots ?
    it only take ten minutes to read and see how corrupt and evil Hillary is by her own words and behaviour

  17. Ben….. Irritates me at times but I dont want him to be fired. I like his opinions but I think that he is too stubborn.
    He rarely ever changes his opinions. Not very liberal.

  18. I just went to huffpost and they include the super delagates.
    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries

  19. You guys are a bunch of fat bellied people who use their belly for a table, when you eat in the living room. People who comment all the time about her are addicted to slot machines. HILLARY THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS!!!!!! I LOVE YOU HILLARY!💋👽🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  20. Why would anyone want to listen to a show with only 1 side of an issue?. It's healthy that both these guys speak their minds. This is what Bernie Saunders would want. Fairness, freedom of speech, free from reprisals, etc. etc.

  21. Tell hillary supporters to stay home its done, then go out and vote for Bernie Sanders, and stay in line. 🙂

  22. Hey TYT — don't listen to all the haters in the comments. Your self-critical debate is awesome! Thanks for doing a great job!

  23. Cenk you let Ben turn this discussion into "there's nothing to talk about here"! That's total BS! The only way MSM should be able to count HRC as the winner on June 7th is if she has 2383 PLEDGE delegates! That would mean she has the support of 59% of the voters- which she does not!!! The primary continues to DC after June 7th- and both candidates have a chance to rack up as many pledge delegates as they can during this process. NEITHER candidate (unless they get 67-70% of the vote in every state) will have enough PLEDGE delegates to win the nomination during the primary process! That is why we are going to a contested convention!!! Regardless of an indictment or the spin you or MSM put on this! Now once the primary is over and we go to the convention and all of the super delegates decide to vote the way they have stated- then yes she will have gotten the nomination of the party… But not the people!!!

  24. I'm 72 and not senile. I agree with Cenk that mainstream media is screwing Sander's = doing everything to help him lose the election. Even MSNBC now seems to be conservative. I now don't watch hyper Maddow. The Super Delegates have to switch to Sander's at the convention, as staying with Hilary will destroy the Democratic Party. Again, I know many many old people that want Bernie.

  25. People need to go out and inform others that the voting doesn't close when the media says. Check your locations and times. Inform independents that they can physically write in their candidates names even if they are in a different party.

  26. Cenk has it right, huff post does require a box to be unchecked for only pledged delegates. They also show it as a horse race in which Hillary is far further ahead due to the counted superdelegates.

  27. I agree with Cenkthroughout.
    The TV channels still do give on their running banner delegate numbers that include the unpledged delegates (without giving details as to how many are pledged and how many are unpledged), so that it looks like Bernie's case is hopeless. It influences people. Most people are working folks; they do not have time to research internet sources to verify stuff. They may turn around on their way to the polls and not go vote if word gets out early that "Hillary has won the nomination." Hopefully, the Sanders people, knowing they are constantly being lied to, will still go on and vote, especially since Chris Matthews has helpfully warned us ahead of time of their shenanigans.
    And yes, Ben, HRC MAY indeed be indicted. The voters need to know that she might be indicted.
    Sorry to be negative, but is Ben going to be a permanent fixture on TYT? I am running out of thoughtful commentators on the internet, and his contributions to the discussions are just too painful to listen to.

  28. If Hillary was willing to spend a million for a troll army, how much would she pay to have Bernie whacked?

  29. This show only appears bias to Bernie because they call out corruption when they see it. People are so used to seeing that corruption that anything different will seem outlandish. They obviously prefer Bernie over hillary and the simple reason to is because unlike her he actually IS beholden to the people and not private interests.

  30. The whole piece was a false premise presented to shill for Clinton . When no one on Sander's side took the bait Hillary's lap dog didn't want to play anymore.

  31. Neither candidate will have the total number of pledged delegates to claim the nomination after all states have voted. This is why it will be a Contested Convention. Super delegates or Un-pledged delegate votes only count during the convention and therefore can change their preference. It was this way in 2008 and it's the same in 2016.

  32. Out…. Clinton clinches presumed Democratic nomination http://www.cnbc.com/id/103693713
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/103693713

  33. The media called it today. 1 day before Tuesday, claiming Hillary will have the votes to be nominee. This is because the media wants to get the word out to Bernie supporters to, not even bother to vote. Seems odd.

  34. Another classical example of the rigged system by the collective group of Medias and Establishment. Very surprised to watch from afar- tells the story.

    If effectively used the Band Wagon Effect, it might backfire as the people can think their own, and they are aware what is really going on after the anointment.

  35. What is said in mainstream media and television does matter to young people because it bleeds into other channels. Distorted delegate counts make it into election-related tags because companies like CNN and MSNBC have a Twitter – all of them do. Television doesn't exist in a vacuum; these news corporations know they can only reach young consumers through the internet and so that's where they go. Besides, if the youth of this country hear the message that there is zero hope for Bernie from their television-watching elders enough times, they're going to start believing it. 
    If it weren't for social media, Bernie's campaign would have been dead on arrival thanks to the mainstream media's refusal to give him coverage. Never dismiss the power of mainstream media and the importance of challenging it.

  36. Why not just kill all of us older 50?  especially us that vote. NY Times you must be joking, that's a one man opinion paper….

  37. If people are influenced by the media to not vote they don't deserve to vote. Nevermind the fact that every poll shows Clinton winning New Jersey and having enough delegates to clinch nomination so there should be no surprise.

  38. Do I have this straight? The super delegates chosen by DNC influence and financed by the Clinton Foundation will ignore voters and vote their pay check?

  39. Yep, it happened to some degree….NPR did more than make a statistical announcement–they gloated and celebrated having a woman finally win the Presidency, as if that were to primary qualification! Foreign policy, etc, etc, etc are all beside the point!

  40. Ben! Flush your headgear ! The Associated Press just pre announced Hillary the winner before the big primaries! Your out of it man!

  41. This kind of crap has happened ever since the Clintons came into national politics in 92. They tell the press what to do!!! Remember in 2000 when Florida was declared for Gore, hours before the poles closed??? The democrats totally control the press, and they are totally corrupt! If you have a question about that, look no further than the 16 federal statutes Hillary knowingly broke and is not being prosecuted. Other than Fox, name a major media out lit that reports about it. People wake up from your sleep!!! Vote Trump!

  42. About midway through this clip, someone was yelling in their earpieces to calm down. You can see their whole demeanor change in about 60 seconds.

  43. Well, considering that she needed 23 delegates out of about 700 to be the nominee, I don't think it was a conspiracy that the media planned to call it as soon as they could. They would have done the same for Bernie had he been ahead but he wasn't ahead. And considering that the day before the associated press polled the undecided delegates and turns out enough said they would vote for Clinton to give her the nomination outright, it was a very easy call to make.
    I think at this point the young turks want Trump for president

  44. They called the smaller states because they closed earlier and are quicker counts. So the media made a safe prediction.

  45. Wow! Best segment of TYT I have ever seen. I absolutely love this. Two intelligent people exchanging ideas with passion while keeping it intelligible and respectful. Really appreciate the dialogue that, in my opinion, engages the issue in a more accurate manner.

    Ben may be my new favourite TYT host but GREAT job to both of you.

    Thanks.

  46. Cenk is the only one that's really close the middle in TYT and if you don't know that then either you are way left or way right:)

  47. Th Dem CA primary is still counting 5 million mail in ballots as of June 9—expected to take until July 7.
    In other news, now that Obama has endorsed Hillary as the presidential candidate, she is too big to jail.

  48. Ben's wrong. The FBI only does criminal investigation and yes, they are investigating Hillary Clinton as well as her staff And yes, she violated laws regarding the use of State Dept. info, not just rules.. She didn't just "mix up her email", she had a private, unencrypted server installed in her basement and routed State Dept. email to it and it was hacked, by at least one foreign hacker. And then there is the racketeering charge related to the Clinton Foundation and the obstruction of justice and several others.

  49. i like how ben will call out cenk like "yeah… youre retarded… but im glad you voiced your opinion" lol

  50. that being said, cenk does the same with ben, they are the two best on here together cuz they actually discuss shit

  51. Chris Matthews IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY Hillary Clinton Hemorrhoids,,,,,,,, BUT HE HAS ALLWAYS BEEN A  WORTHLESS BITCH,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. If she gets in office she'll spend the entire time fighting various and sundry congressional investigations.

  53. ben tard. You have already admitted all you watch is liberal bias news. Why dont you expand and see what people are saying about your dear hitlary?

  54. Ben is in the bag for #Killary and is insultingly so. This has become an establishment media YouTube channel. I had so much promise in at least this channel to be fair.

  55. Ben's logic: Banker robbers aren't under investigation. The money they stole is under investigation. #logic

  56. almost 3,000,000 subs and your editing team cant synch the footage at 1min in?? well done you guys are great

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